My habit is to take a greyhound in legs, first San Francisco to Los Angeles, stay with a friend, this year Jeff Brown, then another leg to Pheonix. These equivalent legs take 8 hours or so, I start in the morning. After spending Xmas in Pheonix with Bruce and hopefullly my twin sisters, Brittany and Brandy, I have a shorter journey to Vegas, avoiding doing the long haul Vegas to San Fran except only on the way back.